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Title: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: N-Forza on January 05, 2015, 01:18:29 PM
Looks like ZUN's going to be on TV again, and this time we won't need fansubs!

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/english/tv/imagine/

It'll air on Tuesday 3:30 pm (UTC), so if you get the NHK World channel, be sure to watch! Looks like it'll contain a good bit of up-to-date footage, including stuff from the Digital Game Expo a few months ago.

UPDATE2 by cuc:

High-quality recording of the program:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLqQBkhFh80

Transcript by persceaux (tohosubs):
http://pastebin.com/QpR9qUqM


UPDATE1:
The show will be repeated for 3 more times. Schedule of the show's run (UTC):
Jan 6 Tue: 15:30 - 15:58
Jan 6 Tue: 21:30 - 21:58
Jan 7 Wed: 03:30 - 03:58
Jan 7 Wed: 09:30 - 09:58

Availability of the NHK World TV channel can be found at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHK_World

A low-bitrate free online stream of the channel can be watched here:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/w/movie/

The channel can also be watched using apps for iOS and Android. In fact since the channel is generally not available in Japan, this is how most people in Japan are expected to watch it:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/app/info/index_en.html
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: game2011 on January 05, 2015, 01:49:05 PM
So... any comments on "youkai" being called "monsters" there?  Wonder if I should switch to using "monsters" instead of "demons" from now on...
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 05, 2015, 02:20:13 PM
I'm still figuring this NHK World thing out, but if the whole program's English quality is on the same level as their website and this trailer, we may need subs nonetheless.

So... any comments on "youkai" being called "monsters" there?  Wonder if I should switch to using "monsters" instead of "demons" from now on...
Because hack translators whose only exposure to English seem to be their English textbooks.

Not to mention this piece of common sense: translating any specific areas of expertise requires research and preparation on the translator's part, which cannot always be guaranteed with TV station subs.

Also are you from a Christian background? I do think calling youkai 'monsters' is at least better than "demons'. But my suggestion is to use two words, "folkloric creatures".
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: game2011 on January 05, 2015, 02:37:04 PM
Also are you from a Christian background? I do think calling youkai 'monsters' is at least better than "demons'. But my suggestion is to use two words, "folkloric creatures".
Yeah, I'm a Christian, so I am aware of what "demon" means to us.  Even so, I have no issues with using that term as a translation for "youkai," since seeing it used in various English dubs and localizations convinced me that it's as official as you can get.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Maple on January 05, 2015, 04:33:00 PM
Would it be tolerable if people used the word "cryptid"? Most of the cast are these in the sense of "creatures not recognized by science", but the word implies more a "scientific" perspective. However, the premise of touhou is fighting mythological beings that are given the body of a loli strong woman of variable proportions and fancy fashion sense, so monster/demon/cryptid isn't exactly correct in first place, depending on your view.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 05, 2015, 04:40:23 PM
Important points after some investigation:

The show will be repeated for 3 more times on the same day, with the schedule given on the website.

The availability of the NHK World TV channel can be found at wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHK_World

There is a free online stream, at what seems to be 480p:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/w/movie

Things start to get unfunny when you realize that since it's an English-language channel for a foreign audience, most people in Japan have no decent way to watch it in anything near its original 1080p format.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 05, 2015, 04:48:56 PM
Would it be tolerable if people used the word "cryptid"? Most of the cast are these in the sense of "creatures not recognized by science", but the word implies more a "scientific" perspective. However, the premise of touhou is fighting mythological beings that are given the body of a woman of variable proportions and fancy fashion sense, so monster/demon/cryptid isn't exactly correct in first place, depending on your view.

Eh, I think this is like re-inventing the wheel. "Mythological beings" or "folkloric creatures", as cuc put it, is a fine descriptor that no one needs to look up while at the same time being pretty accurate, too.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Espadas on January 05, 2015, 05:08:15 PM
Maybe i'll be able to follow the stream, since with that trap i call TV is already a miracle if i can see national channels >_>
Personally, i always use the word Youkai for Touhou because in my mind youkai, demon and monster are 3 slightly different things:

Youkai = folkloristic supernatural creature, especially if coming from oriental cultures

Demon = supernatural EVIL creature

Monster = generic creature with unnatural physical traits :V

(yes, Christian background for me too)
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Helepolis on January 05, 2015, 05:12:10 PM
Damn it timezones. I wonder if I can watch this tomorrow.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Suspicious person on January 05, 2015, 06:40:18 PM
Please be more than  "about a priestess going around killing various monsters"  :(
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Helepolis on January 05, 2015, 10:07:14 PM
No wait, 15:30 UTC means I will be at work. So perhaps I can view the stream though without any sound. Hope they repeat it in the evening hours as well (UTC > 18:00 or so)
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Razzi Zadhna on January 05, 2015, 10:15:36 PM
Would it be tolerable if people used the word "cryptid"? Most of the cast are these in the sense of "creatures not recognized by science", but the word implies more a "scientific" perspective. However, the premise of touhou is fighting mythological beings that are given the body of a loli strong woman of variable proportions and fancy fashion sense, so monster/demon/cryptid isn't exactly correct in first place, depending on your view.

I personally like using "Fae" or "Fair Folk" but that's probably not the best because it makes people think of fairies even though the word can refer to any mythical creature like "youkai" does.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Sedrife on January 06, 2015, 01:36:47 AM
I hope someone can record the entire content and archive it.  Aside from the description of "priestess killing various monsters", the behind-the-production footage part looks very promising.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 06, 2015, 02:48:55 AM
Added info to the OP. Yeah, people in Japan are totally expected to watch the channel using an iOS/Android app:
http://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/app/info/index_en.html

The fandom now needs someone with good access to the channel, and good methods for recording (and encoding for archival) a 1080i TV signal.


Also these are what a friend of mine sees when watching the trailer:

Logitech K310 waterproof keyboard, keeping ZUN free from the worry of spilling beer while programming:
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/Touhou/k1_zpsc38253cf.jpg)

The good old MIDI keyboard Yamaha CBX-K2, which also appeared in the MAG.NET interview, from back when he was living in Ebina:
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/Touhou/k2_zpsfeeef468.jpg)

A relatively expensive WACOM Cintiq Companion tablet, likely the Windows 8 512GB version.
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/Touhou/k3_zpscb9af392.jpg)
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: N-Forza on January 06, 2015, 03:33:03 AM
When you're talking to people who know nothing about Touhou, I have no problem with "monsters" if you're trying to give a quick summary/introduction.

But yeah, for a show/channel ostensibly for overseas audiences, NHK (and Japan in general) is pretty behind the curve in accessibility.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Helepolis on January 06, 2015, 12:18:03 PM
Thanks for the schedule description. Awesome, tonight around 21:30 huh! All right!
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: hungrybookworm on January 06, 2015, 12:28:20 PM
Oh! I might watch this too. Anything for a new nosy around ZUN's office. (Assuming I don't fall asleep the instant I get home).
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: akj on January 06, 2015, 01:28:50 PM
Thanks for the heads up! The first airing's in about 2 hours from now.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: michikaze on January 06, 2015, 01:30:17 PM
So, repeat in two hours?

And, you have nothing better to discuss than how they dared to translate "youkai"?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 06, 2015, 01:42:26 PM
And, you have nothing better to discuss than how they dared to translate "youkai"?

What. No one is discussing how NHK translated youkai. Some people are talking about how to localize youkai, which may or may not be a derail, but is demonstrably not the only topic of conversation in this thread.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: hungrybookworm on January 06, 2015, 03:58:50 PM
That was hilarious. Absolutely wonderful.

Worth it for the bits in ZUN's office. But if you guys were upset by the youkai = monsters thing, oh boy. Ohhhh boy...!
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Suspicious person on January 06, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
Holy sh*t, this turned out way better than I expected

Anyway, here's how they covered things in a nutshell for the people who were too busy or couldn't watch this little program (this might not be accurate, tough)
-Started with introducing Touhou as a shooting game and how far it goes back
-Showed some parts of touhou back at Digital Game Expo (and interviewed some fans there)
-Touhou x PS4 and Vita, nuff said
-Talked about Reimu, about who she is and what she does ("etc etc shaman girl etc etc AND SHE BEAT MONSTTTEEEERS!!! etc etc")
-Showed some parts of a Touhou-filled convention and a brief introduction (neither in depth nor exhaustive but still good) to the fanworks/ fanculture
-Interview with ZUN (who also shows that he is boss at his own game) and show the process of making a Touhou game
-Showed some gameplay footage of DDC and ISC (lol @ player with zero lives against Wakasagihime), showed off some characters (DID THE COMMENTER SERIOUSLY SAID "(...)and this one is a danmaku ghost who (...)" IN THAT ISC FOOTAGE???)
-ZUNterview keeps going, goes in depth with how he make sure to giving everything a sense of unity, how he makes the music, the characters and... you get the idea
-Talked about the Touhou x PS4 and Vita again (it's for this year?)
-Played a bit of ISC's day 1
-Programs change topic

And guess what??? "blah blah Touhou is going to be localised blah blah English blah blah" (If I heard right)

Anyway, this was a decent coverage at worst. Their knowledge of Touhou universe seems pretty shallow (AND SHE IS GONNA BEAT MOOONNNNSTTTEEEERS!!!), but the explanation of Touhou settings were done by ZUN, who managed to sum things up in a clear and simple fashion.

It was not bad, and I hope futures coverages of Touhou would be at least as acceptable as this one. It would be good if this managed to stir some people's interest in Touhou. With all that said I hope 2015 will be as rich as 2013 for Touhou, and may ZUN's liver hold long enough to keep the fantasy going  :V

Also, did anyone record this?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: ふねん1 on January 06, 2015, 05:13:52 PM
Yeah, some of their terminology and understanding of the game world was off, but even if someone got into Touhou through this program, it's nothing that couldn't be fixed through talking with the rest of the community. I otherwise liked it - acknowledging Touhou's widespread popularity, some glimpses into ZUN's work process that some might not know if they can't read Japanese articles about it, etc.

I also noticed how some of the characters were referred to as "he", which I suspect was merely a weird byproduct from translation. But then I thought, is Seija taking advantage of her time on NHK World to work her magic again? :V
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Helepolis on January 06, 2015, 09:55:23 PM
I just listened to the entire interview and especially ZUN's words more in particular about design and game play. For the danmakufu creators among it is perhaps interesting to note but also for the players.

Unity or harmony as I would call it personally is indeed what ZUN has been depicting in his games a lot. He mentioned for example that "Syncing events to the music" is something he focusses on. There tons of examples where this happens if you just listen more carefully while also looking carefully. I find this quite charming.

He also mentioned that he first composes the music THEN actually starts constructing everything around it. I assume he has a certain theme or idea in his head but music amplifies this and makes it easier to create the actual thing. I'm personally also working on my danmaku game for while now and this is exactly the approach I did naturally. Without a solid stage song or boss song, I cannot imagine or design the stages or spell cards proper. The music has to fit from the beginning until the end amplifying that feeling.

Conversations with the characters is also quite interesting to note for me, especially as I am also typing the dialogues. Why not try to re-read the dialogues of your favourite game again on the Touhou wiki and pay attention to their tone and words. My personal favourite is for example Imperishable Night because the girls are paired and they synchronize pretty well with their attitudes .

So yea, to be honest I was quite pleased about this broadcast and ZUN's mini interview. It gave me some more insight and motivation that the current design path I am taking is the correct one.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Fumi on January 06, 2015, 10:03:33 PM
Logitech K310 waterproof keyboard, keeping ZUN free from the worry of spilling beer while programming:
(http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad70/cucuct/Touhou/k1_zpsc38253cf.jpg)

Anyone remember's ZUN vine? https://vine.co/v/hZl2A9lXtMH so this pretty much confirms this is his account :v

Yeah, this report could use more research but well, it's not easy to get a grasp of Touhou if you are completely new to it, I mean, I remember when I first got into Touhou and made similar mistakes.

Ahh, getting to see ZUN messing with Shin's danmaku, drawing Seija and THE SHEET FOR ISC 4TH THEME <3 ohh, I think that compensastes the lack of research.

By the way, is that true? Anyone can confirm is ZUN is localizing the games? From what I have hear before it's very complicated because a) ZUN does not know english b)He says if the games are getting localizated he needs to be supervising it (so the story stays the same) but since he does not know english it's gonna be very hard

I wonder if that's true, although he did mentioned that he is aware and enjoys the fact people play Touhou all over the world
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Razzi Zadhna on January 06, 2015, 11:05:34 PM
ZUN'll get someone else to translate the games. He does have that "gotta do everything myself" doujin spirit, but he's not averse to working with other people, hell he got a different artist to do GFW's art when he could've done it himself.

Also, him supervising the translation means very little. Japanese companies often say that they have supervised the translations of games/manga/anime/whatever, but this almost amounts to them simply okay'ing the script without actually looking at it. The localizer usually has to run by any changes they make, however, and I can guarantee that ZUN would require them to make zero changes.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Phasm on January 06, 2015, 11:28:24 PM
Anyone remember's ZUN vine? https://vine.co/v/hZl2A9lXtMH so this pretty much confirms this is his account :v

Yeah, this report could use more research but well, it's not easy to get a grasp of Touhou if you are completely new to it, I mean, I remember when I first got into Touhou and made similar mistakes.

Ahh, getting to see ZUN messing with Shin's danmaku, drawing Seija and THE SHEET FOR ISC 4TH THEME <3 ohh, I think that compensastes the lack of research.

By the way, is that true? Anyone can confirm is ZUN is localizing the games? From what I have hear before it's very complicated because a) ZUN does not know english b)He says if the games are getting localizated he needs to be supervising it (so the story stays the same) but since he does not know english it's gonna be very hard

I wonder if that's true, although he did mentioned that he is aware and enjoys the fact people play Touhou all over the world

Well if that's the case then we won't have to translate Urban Legend in Limbo which  :D
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Fumi on January 06, 2015, 11:39:34 PM
ZUN'll get someone else to translate the games. He does have that "gotta do everything myself" doujin spirit, but he's not averse to working with other people, hell he got a different artist to do GFW's art when he could've done it himself.

Also, him supervising the translation means very little. Japanese companies often say that they have supervised the translations of games/manga/anime/whatever, but this almost amounts to them simply okay'ing the script without actually looking at it. The localizer usually has to run by any changes they make, however, and I can guarantee that ZUN would require them to make zero changes.

Yeah but ZUN was very specific about it. I mean, after its his work, he really cherishes it, if someone knows everything about a certain character it's him.

Well if that's the case then we won't have to translate Urban Legend in Limbo which  :D

That's different because the english patches and stuff on the wiki are fan translations. And translating from japanese is very hard because sometimes words can have multiple meanings, japanese can be ambiguous and there are multiple translations. No one is stopping the fans from doing that translation but when it comes to ZUn actually translating the games and offering them for digital sales then it's a different story, a much more complicated one.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on January 07, 2015, 05:07:36 AM
ZUn actually translating the games and offering them for digital sales

Does that mean there's even a remote chance that the official games get released on Steam, complete with nearly-impossible-to-get achievements?

And what if his translations differ drastically from the fan translations we're all so used to?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: 7TC7 on January 07, 2015, 08:07:55 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLqQBkhFh80 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLqQBkhFh80)

<<< here is a recorded version of the brodcast in good quality if anyone hasn't seen it yet.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 08, 2015, 01:11:13 PM
Regarding the hundreds of books in ZUN's workshop shown in the programme, Ruw said (https://twitter.com/Ruw/status/552504572682702849) that these are only a tenth of the books in the room; ZUN also has other rooms for books.

A lot of the books seen in the video are reference books on wide-ranging topics, including mushrooms. Plenty of books on Japanese folklore and village culture.


My friend sent us another update. Of the two monitors he use to work, the smaller one on the left is Mitsubishi MDT231WG (23-inch), and the bigger one on the right is Eizo FlexScan S2410W (24-inch). Both are expensive professional grade monitors, now discontinued.

You can of course, still see his trusty Edirol SD-90 Sound Canvas synthesizer by his side, the source of the ZUNpet sound.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 08, 2015, 02:06:02 PM
Yeah, the best part by far was the ZUN mini-interview. There were parts of the narration that (I think?) got their terms mixed up, and those hosts were just insufferable.

Love the fact that he starts building a stage with the music first. Really explains a lot.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: aUsernameIsFineToo on January 08, 2015, 03:38:00 PM
This could've been worse, like CNN's (in)famous Bad Apple report. With that said, I think these two did their best in introducing the series to someone who's never heard of it before.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Suspicious person on January 08, 2015, 04:04:38 PM
This could've been worse, like CNN's (in)famous Bad Apple report. With that said, I think these two did their best in introducing the series to someone who's never heard of it before.
ANYTHING is way better than "it's about flying magical girls throwing bullets at each others!" when it comes to describing Touhou.

Personally, putting the obvious shmup game part aside, I like to consider Touhou as a compilation of standalone stories that complete themselves in each game, taking place in a fantasy world, whose setting is that of a mashup of pop culture and folklore, and with a large lore, female cast, music and fan culture.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 08, 2015, 05:51:51 PM
This could've been worse, like CNN's (in)famous Bad Apple report. With that said, I think these two did their best in introducing the series to someone who's never heard of it before.

See, I didn't think the CNN thing was that bad. They were reporting on a viral video; not a game series. Also, it's CNN! :V

The hosts were fine from a factual standpoint in this NHK thing. I just thought dude especially was ... hard to watch. But yeah, that said, they pulled it off adequately.

Personally, putting the obvious shmup game part aside, I like to consider Touhou as a compilation of standalone stories that complete themselves in each game, taking place in a fantasy world, whose setting is that of a mashup of pop culture and folklore, and with a large lore, female cast, music and fan culture.

Same, only sometimes those stories span more than one game, in a sense.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Colticide on January 08, 2015, 07:30:43 PM
The fact Zun starts building his game around the music gives me a lot of hope for the future in game design. That's been a philosophy that I've been following since I started to even dabble in it. What feelings does this music give, what attacks can you imagine hearing a certain part of a song. God I love Zun's work so much!
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Phasm on January 09, 2015, 09:50:07 PM
What is the piano Zun uses to compose music and the thing we see the composition of Eternal Short Lived Reign? Also what is the name of the program Zun uses to draw characters?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Romantique Tp on January 09, 2015, 10:08:25 PM
CBX-K2 as stated above and photoshop. The keyboard makes no sound on its own.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Phasm on January 10, 2015, 12:37:07 AM
CBX-K2 as stated above and photoshop. The keyboard makes no sound on its own.

But what he uses to draw that goes to the computer? Like a tablet or something...
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 10, 2015, 12:44:33 AM
But what he uses to draw that goes to the computer? Like a tablet or something...

On the previous page of this thread. (https://www.shrinemaiden.org/forum/index.php/topic,17833.msg1154952.html#msg1154952)
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Phasm on January 10, 2015, 12:47:44 AM
Where can i buy a CBX-K2 and the WACOM Cintiq Companion tablet?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Romantique Tp on January 10, 2015, 01:24:38 AM
Use google to find a store near you? Why are you interested on the keyboard anyway?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Phasm on January 10, 2015, 01:30:53 AM
Use google to find a store near you? Why are you interested on the keyboard anyway?

Want to make music for a video game series i am thinking of  :3
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 10, 2015, 01:35:59 AM
Well, it seems the CBX-K2 has been discontinued by Yamaha, so I guess your best bet is to search Ebay or something.

And yeah, Google is your friend, too ...
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Phasm on January 10, 2015, 02:04:07 AM
Well, it seems the CBX-K2 has been discontinued by Yamaha, so I guess your best bet is to search Ebay or something.

And yeah, Google is your friend, too ...


Well you know like in Kobitothe Shining Needle with CBX-K3 can you  replicate the the spirit like sounding tunes in it like in 2.05? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1yYDzvFtQ Also can we also do rock with it like in the beginning of it or Wakasagihime's theme?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Romantique Tp on January 10, 2015, 03:30:53 AM
Well you know like in Kobitothe Shining Needle with CBX-K3 can you  replicate the the spirit like sounding tunes in it like in 2.05? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jv1yYDzvFtQ Also can we also do rock with it like in the beginning of it or Wakasagihime's theme?

Like I said before the CBX keyboards don't make any sounds by themselves, you connect them to a PC to control VSTs and hardware synths using a DAW like Cubase. All sounds you hear in ZUN's music comes from his SD-90 and VSTs (most but not all come with recent versions of Cubase), not his keyboard. ZUN prefers his music to sound more or less like something you would hear in a late 90s PSX game, but VSTs have varying levels of realism. If you want to make your music sound realistic, it's possible for as long you can afford expensive VSTs and have the skills to use them to their full potential.

Most Yamaha unweighted keyboards feel more or less the same, so you don't need to get this specific one. If you don't have a keyboard yet, get one of those soundless MIDI controllers with touch sensitivity, pitch bend and a mod wheel, along with an USB audio interface and and a DAW like Cubase Artist 8. Cubase is a great DAW that comes with better sounds and effects than any keyboard of this price range, and the audio interface will give you near lagless audio which is essential for making music with a PC.

Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 11, 2015, 03:32:10 AM
Forgot to post this, transcript by persceaux (tohosubs):
http://pastebin.com/QpR9qUqM

The video and transcript links have also been updated into the OP.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: N-Forza on January 11, 2015, 12:05:46 PM
Kind of weird how they just offhandedly mentioned the localization part though they expounded a bit more about the Play.Doujin deal.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Sssgth on January 12, 2015, 12:19:53 AM
PS4 and Vita only? Dammit.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 12, 2015, 01:22:19 AM
PS4 and Vita only? Dammit.
The programme hasn't made any effort to clarify it, but it's the Play,Doujin! games (port of Touhou fan games) that will be PS4 and Vita-only. From the talks they've given, they seem to have no plans to port the official Touhou games to console at the moment.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Sssgth on January 12, 2015, 02:39:56 AM
they seem to have no plans to port the official Touhou games to console at the moment.

Somehow I'm thankful.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: akj on January 12, 2015, 05:18:42 AM
From twitter,
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ZUN: アーカイブで見れるって教えてもらいました。ありがとうございます。全編英語でよくわかんねーけど自分の吹き替えの人の声に違和感w
Roughly translates to
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ZUN: Thank you for letting me know how to view the archived program. It was entirely in English, so I didn't really understand it, but the voice of the person who dubbed me made me feel uncomfortable lol.
I can't agree more. That was the only one thing that really bothered me. I guess I'm just used to the way ZUN sounds, ya know?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Colticide on January 12, 2015, 05:29:10 AM
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02:12
N: A monster known as a "Gensokyo" roams around the world of this game. The main character is a female shaman, Hakurei Reimu, who exterminates various monsters.
 
02:28
N: Players control a flying shaman known as a "danmaku" to defeat the enemy while avoiding the countless onslaught of bullets.

Oh god I'm feeling really salty about this, we have so many sources that explain Gensokyo being a place and not a monster. Reimu is now a danmaku huh... I can kinda forgive shaman but I'm pretty sure people do know what a shrine maiden is. 
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 12, 2015, 12:46:01 PM
Yeah that was really disconcerting. I can't imagine how they managed to get that wrong. Surely actual Japanese speakers put this little show together.

Maybe some intern who was about to quit anyway decided to troll the fandom.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: hungrybookworm on January 12, 2015, 02:38:51 PM
I seriously doubt it was anything malicious. My impression from watching it was that most of the mistakes were due to a toxic mixture of rushed research and iffy translation decisions. To be fair, I doubt they had the resources to grab an English speaking Touhou fan to help localise the text. Whoever they brought in to interpret ZUN seemed to make sense, though, but ofc we can't tell for sure without hearing the original Japanese.

I wouldn't worry about it too much. I found the mistakes really really funny but I find these kinds of things hilarious anyway. Who knows, maybe a few people might decide to check out this 'touhou' thing after watching the programme.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Sssgth on January 12, 2015, 02:42:52 PM
Meh, it's not like a bunch of people watch "Imagine-Nation" anyway.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Suspicious person on January 12, 2015, 02:59:50 PM
Is this the first thing ever where there isn't any beer in a radius of 50 cm from ZUN?
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 12, 2015, 04:24:48 PM
I seriously doubt it was anything malicious. My impression from watching it was that most of the mistakes were due to a toxic mixture of rushed research and iffy translation decisions.

Oh yeah, I was more or less kidding about the disgruntled intern theory. It just struck me as a weird mistranslation, not only from native Japanese speakers, but also considering what was mistranslated.

Not the end of the world, no, just really surprising.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Kilgamayan on January 12, 2015, 04:36:09 PM
I, for one, feel like this wouldn't have been proper Touhou programming without multiple mistranslations. Touhou fans wouldn't know what to do with themselves if they were given a translation everyone agreed was a quality piece of work. <_<
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 12, 2015, 04:41:14 PM
For the record, I'm not shitting on this or anything. The ZUN interview was great, the fans were adorable, and they got their information mostly right. But I don't see what's wrong with pointing out a major oops or two in what was an otherwise enjoyable experience.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Colticide on January 12, 2015, 04:47:12 PM
For the record, I'm not shitting on this or anything. The ZUN interview was great, the fans were adorable, and they got their information mostly right. But I don't see what's wrong with pointing out a major oops or two in what was an otherwise enjoyable experience.

That would be my fault sorry, after reading the whole thing I just felt like that silly thing needed pointed out despite them getting the information right later.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Kilgamayan on January 12, 2015, 04:53:32 PM
No ill will was intended toward anyone in particular with my comment. It's just that Touhou has a long and storied history of mistranslations and translations disagreements. It's like breathing at this point.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Colticide on January 12, 2015, 04:59:59 PM
No ill will was intended toward anyone in particular with my comment. It's just that Touhou has a long and storied history of mistranslations and translations disagreements. It's like breathing at this point.

Heh good point. *look's at IN* After reading about how Zun makes the music first it made me think that does he have the characters he using in mind as he's making the music or after? I kinda would have liked more details on how his games are made, but the parts that where there made me realize how much work he puts in them. Those that say touhou is overrated have no idea what "stuff" in general goes into making the games and books.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Tengukami on January 12, 2015, 05:05:00 PM
*looks at IN*

I will defend "Let's get this youkai party started!" until the end of time.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: Colticide on January 12, 2015, 05:13:25 PM
I will defend "Let's get this youkai party started!" until the end of time.

Well I do see the charm in it too, I was more or less thinking of Alice calling Reimu a bitch but even that has it's charms.
Title: Re: "Toho Project" on NHK World's "Imagine-Nation" program!
Post by: cuc on January 13, 2015, 02:19:15 AM
Based on what little I know about the translation business, and abundant evidences in the show itself, the different parts of the show were scripted by different people, chopped up into fragments and outsourced to various translators - some seem to have a poor grasp on both English and Japanese. And after they stitched the show together, no one's there to do anything beyond perhaps a rudimentary check.

I mean, the "Gensokyo roams the world" "shrine maiden called Danmaku" part is only limited to that one segment of narration; other segments have another narrator, and use a different vocabulary. Some key information are repeated in different segments, and told in different ways.

The other things in the show appear stitched together too, in unexpected ways. The show contains footage from the Touhou 14 engine games, and if you care about typefaces, you'd have noticed that there are somehow three different fonts in these footage, when there really should only be one.

Meiryo
A new Japanese font first introduced in Windows Vista, this is the font Touhou 14 and 14.3 are meant to use. This font has thin strokes and round curves.

MS Gothic
The font used by pre-14 Touhou games. When run in Windows XP which does not have the Meiryo font, Touhou 14 and 14.3 will use MS Gothic instead.
ZUN's own debug version of Touhou 14 also displays MS Gothic, perhaps because it's an earlier build without the new font code.

MS Mincho
Due to problems with ZUN's font code, when run in certain non-Japanese Windows environments, all Touhou games might possibly default to the first Japanese font in the system, which is the serif font MS Mincho.

So the amazing thing is, they captured these game footages using several different computers, including one that's not even running a Japanese version of Windows.