Author Topic: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Game Over!  (Read 89966 times)

Ouja

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #240 on: August 12, 2010, 02:17:05 AM »
Wait... WAIT. Who's "Shawn Michaels" and why is he voting Sandor?

What is this madness.

Where is everyone.

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #241 on: August 12, 2010, 02:22:17 AM »
No change in the vote count. 2 hours to go!
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Ryuki

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #242 on: August 12, 2010, 02:32:53 AM »
Wait... WAIT. Who's "Shawn Michaels" and why is he voting Sandor?

What. :o

Another peculiarity I just noticed.. Somehow an hour and a half disappeared between Suwako #219 and #223. Mod error or something more insidious?

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #243 on: August 12, 2010, 02:34:59 AM »
I don't always remember to factor halves in, especially when it's only kind of a half and not really.

Post #241 is accurate.
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

Well, this game happened.

DiEnd

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #244 on: August 12, 2010, 03:06:55 AM »
Before I get going here, I apologize for quotestriping.

Quote from: Sandor
Sailor Moon, I also really really don't like the way that you call everything from Steven a nulltell just because he's a newb.  Bad play is pretty much a nulltell from someone who doesn't know any better, but almost swinging a bandwagon away from flipped scum is not something you can dismiss as incidental just because the player doing it is new.
He also unvoted shortly after. I don't understand why he'd do this if he was scum; first of all, it defeats the purpose of doing it in the first place, second of all it looks terrible, especially considering he didn't even use his vote afterwards! If he was scum, he'd have scumbuddies that I'd hope would tell him not to do something like that. Well, err, I guess I wouldn't hope they'd do that if it was beneficial for them, but you know what I mean :V

Quote from: Razeluxe
##Unvote: Shannon
##Vote: Steven Stone
##Unvote: Steven Stone

Slightly prefer Steven lynch, so will get my vote on him to show I believe him scum, but will not keep it there since I would still like to keep Shannon in the running; don't believe Steven that much scummier than her.
...is there really any point at all in doing that? And you aren't even using your vote, now. I can't think of any pro-town reason to not use your vote in this situation, especially considering there are people you find scummy, both of which are big wagons today. It just distances yourself from either lynch.

Quote from: Saki
As for Steven that is such a pot of hullzpullz that I still don't know what to think of it. I never knew he was a newbie and honestly can't find that information anywhere either... so unless someone talked about it offboard or in PM, I don't think it was said.
Steven's player was talking about... well, being Steven, in #touhou-meido IRC multiple times. So several people not only know the player is new, but also exactly who it is. The mafia regulars present kinda talked him into signing up :3

Quote from: Razeluxe
Logic, however, has me leaning Steven Stone because his alignment pretty much determines Sailor Moon's, for me, as she's the last person who's willing to hold being nub in his defense, near as I can tell.
Because nubs will be nubs and do nubby things. I do think the case on him is good, it's just that it's also so very possible that Steven is flailing around and scum managed to make a good case on him; because hey, newbies are often not that hard to make a nice looking case on! This one does look better then most cases on newbies, though, which is why I said I approve of the lynch in one of my earlier posts, in addition to the small added bonus of him being a possible liability during LyLo from his nubbiness even if he's town. It's just... I'd rather go after someone whose case can't also be explained by "lolnub", when there are such other cases present.

Now, it looks like it's fairly certain that Steve or Shannon will be lynched today. I still don't find Shannon particularly scummy. I'd elaborate more on that and on more people, but it's late and I'm sleepy, it won't matter till day 3, and deadline is coming up. I'd rather have a Steven lynch then a Shannon lynch, and that's what matters at the moment.

##Unvote, ##Vote:Steven Stone

DiEnd

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #245 on: August 12, 2010, 03:22:21 AM »
EBWOP:Oops!

Quote from: Razeluxe
And you aren't even using your vote, now. I can't think of any pro-town reason to not use your vote in this situation, especially considering there are people you find scummy, both of which are big wagons today. It just distances yourself from either lynch.
Sorry about this paragraph, memory lapse. Just like, strike it out in your minds.

DiEnd

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #246 on: August 12, 2010, 03:23:45 AM »
EBWOP:oh uh, that's not a Razeluxe quote like it says, typo. That's a quote from my post, of course. Maybe I should stop copypasting individual paragraphs and then adding the name into the code manually.

* Sailor Moon headdesks

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #247 on: August 12, 2010, 03:28:25 AM »
Steven Stone is at L-1!

About 55 minutes remaining!

Vote Chart
 
Miyako Miyamura (1): Silver Medal
Shannon (4): Evangeline A.K. McDowell, Miyako Miyamura, Razeluxe Meitzan, Stuff Man, Saki Marimi, Razeluxe Meitzen
John McClane (0): Stone Mason
Sandor Clegane (1): Saki Marimi, Shannon, Shoe, Evangeline A.K. McDowell, Shawn Michaels
Stone Mason (0): Sailor Moon, Saki Marimi
Razeluxe Meitzen (0): John McClane
Evangeline A.K. McDowell (2): Steven Stone, Stone Mason
Steven Stone (6): Sandor Clegane, Evangeline A.K. McDowell, Shoe, John McClane. Razeluxe Meitzen, Shannon, Sailor Moon
 
No vote cast: No one!
 
12 players still alive means 7 votes will lynch, so Steven leads at L-1 with Shannon at L-3.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2010, 03:32:29 AM by Suwako Moriya »
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Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #248 on: August 12, 2010, 04:25:40 AM »
Time is up!
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

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Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 2
« Reply #249 on: August 12, 2010, 04:39:02 AM »
Huh. If so many of you lunkheads knew this Steven kid was a new guy, why didn't you bother telling him that "gotta catch 'em all" doesn't apply to votes? What a bunch of jerks. Let's just get on with this.

...

...

...

...Nope, nothing. Looks like you swung and missed this time, unless your goal was to generate programming 4kids wouldn't touch.

Steven Stone, Town Oh Shi- Moment, was deadline lynched!

It is now Night 2, so all the good little players should go to bed and make no noise. People with night actions, please send them in.

Final Day 2 Vote Chart

Miyako Miyamura (1): Silver Medal
Shannon (4): Evangeline A.K. McDowell, Miyako Miyamura, Razeluxe Meitzan, Stuff Man, Saki Marimi, Razeluxe Meitzen
John McClane (0): Stone Mason
Sandor Clegane (1): Saki Marimi, Shannon, Shoe, Evangeline A.K. McDowell, Shawn Michaels
Stone Mason (0): Sailor Moon, Saki Marimi
Razeluxe Meitzen (0): John McClane
Evangeline A.K. McDowell (2): Steven Stone, Stone Mason
Steven Stone (6): Sandor Clegane, Evangeline A.K. McDowell, Shoe, John McClane, Razeluxe Meitzen, Shannon, Sailor Moon
 
No vote cast: No one
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

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Sasword

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Night 2
« Reply #250 on: August 12, 2010, 05:26:29 AM »
Quite dismayed at today's results (I wished I had been there earlier).  The Steven bandwagon was horrible and another example of MoTK's obsession with lynching new and bad players which really needs to stop.

Would again, like to point out Shannon's very bad hypocrisy for forming a bandwagon on Steven for no reason other than being the only viable lynch when already stating that:" It is very possible to lynch scum on D1, so I do not believe that the purpose of D1 is to simply form some bandwagons on anyone."  She did not lynch who she thought was scum, as she claims, but only guy who was not her.

Sailor Moon is horrible for pretty much playing the nice guy and agreeing with everyone.  There is pretty much no active scumhunting from her, only agreeing with everyone she meets and saying the obvious things (e.g Mason's seemingly strange vote for no reason on McClaine (which I accept as his own brand of scumhunting from D1). 

For example, in this post she says a whole lot of opinions without actually saying who is scum.  She neutralizes her own statements, and let's others do so too (e.g agreeing with my case and agreeing with Shannon when she makes her reply without a shred of analysis),

Lastly, she progresses from saying Shannon as potential scum team material, to thinking that "case on Steven is good but I like Mason more because noobplay is town" and finally, voting Steven even though she defended him more than Shannon.  I'm not too happy with her play here, and since agreeing with everyone is a very good way to get out of everyone's minds, Sailor Moon seems scummy and in league with Shannon.  She also has very little solid opinions, so despite her vote on Gamzee, I am willing to think her scum.

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Thus, I think a Shannon lynch on D3 would tell us more about a lot of people (considering the bandwagons). 

Cirno

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Night 2
« Reply #251 on: August 12, 2010, 07:52:27 PM »
Hahaha, this is entertaining. Keep it up, my minions! Soon our plan to take over Gensokyo will come to fruition, and no one will be able to stop us. Mwahahahahahahahahahaha!

##Vote: Suwako

Yes, only a few more days now....wait, you guys aren't the queue at ZUN's Comiket booth? Man I can't think of any other situation where I would hear so much incoherent babbling. Oh well, it doesn't matter what you lot actually are as long as your inane chatter provides distractions for my great war efforts.

Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Night 2
« Reply #252 on: August 12, 2010, 08:38:33 PM »
Giddadda here, you! Don't you have some other fairies to beat up?

Shannon's situation has been resolved. While the existing player will still play on, they will be joined by a second voice. Shannon is now a hydra. For the new users that may be curious, this is not without precedent. Hopefully each voice will differentiate which voice they are, but that's up to them.

(And before you complain to me, you-know-who-you-are, this is a hydra born out of necessity, not simply because two people wanted to do it.)

Incidentally, Shannon's username will be updated to reflect this turn of events.
« Last Edit: August 12, 2010, 08:40:06 PM by Suwako Moriya »
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Suwako Moriya

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Night 2
« Reply #253 on: August 13, 2010, 01:04:34 AM »
So given I let the cat out of the bag twice yesterday, I guess it's only fitting that it got put back in the bag last night. Shame for the cat that it's a body bag. Most of their possessions seem intact, and they make the cat look innocent, though there's this one beaten-up, burnt, ripped book...

...wait, was this a copy of 4e?

Shoe, Town Machi Man, was killed overnight!

Day 3 has begun!

Miyako Miyamura (1): Silver Medal
Saki Marimi (1): Shigeru Miyamoto

10 players alive means 6 votes will lynch. Beginning today, a majority vote WILL BE REQUIRED. No majority = no lynch. You have 72 hours. Happy hunting!
The only thing this dimension does well is show its ass. We might as well applaud it! - Albert Burneko

Well, this game happened.

Ouja

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #254 on: August 13, 2010, 01:36:59 AM »
So, the anonymous vote strikes again. Alright, hoever's doing that, quit it. No, it doesn't help town. Dumbly throwing votes around will only help scum etc etc.

Okay, that out of the way. Really, the Steven lynch I can see where they came from, and I'm not yet sure how I feel about that. I'm... yeah, let me mull that over for a bit. Seriously need to reread that fiasco.

Anyway, night post addressing, I disagree with Miyako re: Shannon. Because "Not Me Instead Of Me" is one of the best reasons ever to vote an alternate train. Usually people want to survive, there was no reason for Shannon NOT to vote Steven and I am a bit leery at you for trying to paint that in a bad light by calling it hypocrisy and stuff. Surely you're aware of your own alignment. Damn, I'd lynch an obvTown if the alternative was that I'd be lynched.

Right. I'm not sure if that's just playstyle or what. Vastly good reasons for Shannon to vote him, although I'm still very, very suspicious of her anyway. Egh. Right, whatever.

##VOTE: Shannon

Explanations. I wants them. I'll be rereading the thread and I can tell that this random anonyvote on Sandor is weird. DO NOT THROW ANONVOTES AROUND LIGHTLY! I don't know the reason anyone felt to do that, but anonyvotes hurt town because their intent is unknown, and it gives scum an easier platform from which to mislynch.

Speaking of, whoever placed that anonyvote on me and Miyako should come with an explanation. No good reason to drop them off and bring us one closer to death for no discernable reason. Rolefish, bite me. It hurts town.

Punch Hopper

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #255 on: August 13, 2010, 02:24:47 AM »
Hmmph...then...I guess even this is possible...so much for being touched by destiny...

* Shoe dies.

Ouja

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #256 on: August 13, 2010, 02:24:46 PM »
So, uh, how's that Mafier going for you guys?

Sasword

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #257 on: August 13, 2010, 03:51:28 PM »
@Saki:

I'm okay with her voting Steven at deadline, but I'm just pointing out that it goes against her own words of what is right and wrong.  She says numerous times that she votes who she thinks is scum, especially in this post, but she merely piles the bandwagon without any explanation or telegraphing of suspicion (like she did for Gamzee).  Even if self-preservation is a good reason to vote the other one, it cannot stand on its own and must be accompanied with an attempt to know about the case (because Shannon could be scum).   Lastly, It goes against her 'voting on bad reasoning is bad' which she used to implicate easy targets; she should vote herself in that case!  Even RL can't account for that.

I'll like to say that on D2, a Silver Medal was passed to me and it was told to me that the Silver Medal could be passed to someone else during the night.  Apparently, the mod lied and so it's still in my possession (presumably forever).  Reason I withheld this information was to avoid dying with it by an NK,, hoping to put the Medal to better use.  But I'm afraid that it seems like a lie.

DiEnd

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Night 2
« Reply #258 on: August 13, 2010, 04:40:21 PM »
I'm... really not seeing anything actually good in Miyako's nightpost.

Mmk, what she says about the Steven wagon being MotK derptown lynch obsession is partially true. This actually wasn't all that bad of a case for a derptown lynching. But yes, MotK likes to lynch derptown too much.

Saki covered the part about Shannon. I have absolutely no idea why Miyako is trying to make Shannon look bad for voting the wagon that isn't her so she survives. If she didn't do that, I'd wonder if she was a Jester or something, and lets not even get into how I feel about Jester roles.

First paragraph about me is... kinda true I suppose, actually. I am agreeing with a lot of people without much explanation, most notably where it looks like I practically handwave Shannon as town. I do need to reread Shannon today to review her D2 actions.
For example, in this post she says a whole lot of opinions without actually saying who is scum.
So, I don't say who I think is scum, except... err, how about that sentence at the end where I say the three people I think might be scum?
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Lastly, she progresses from saying Shannon as potential scum team material, to thinking that "case on Steven is good but I like Mason more because noobplay is town" and finally, voting Steven even though she defended him more than Shannon.
I didn't feel Shannon to be particularly scummy after her response post, as I said.  My feelings on Steven were "This case isn't bad but could all just be derptown." I'd rather lynch someone I can't read then someone I don't feel to be scummy. And derptown is a liability in LyLo as I said, so it's not quite as bad as lynching some other townie.
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She also has very little solid opinions, so despite her vote on Gamzee, I am willing to think her scum.
*waffle waffle waffle* :D

Anyway, Miyako wants to lynch Shannon to get insight on my alignment. With her having been the other wagon yesterday, I'd say it looks like she'll get her wish. I'll reread Shannon to see how I feel about her now.

Ninjaed by Miyako. Why are you still trying to make her look bad for voting Steven at deadline?
Quote from: Miyako
It goes against her 'voting on bad reasoning is bad' which she used to implicate easy targets; she should vote herself in that case
Except that's the best reason to vote someone ever, as Saki said. There is absolutely no reason someone should NOT vote the other person in this case, with the rare exception of knowing the other person is DEFINITELY town and will be MORE helpful to town (such as a power role), whixh is an extremely situational case.

In fact, the post you linked as an example DIRECTLY contradicts EXACTLY what you're blaming Shannon for! Here is the quote from said post.
Quote from: Shannon
3.) I find it inherently scummy to not be on one of the major wagons at the end of the day (with certain exceptions, such as not being there at the time).  As I said above, a vote is also a way to be transparent.  Even if you think both of the wagons are town, you must surely find one of them better than the other (whether that be for informational purposes, or whether you just find one person more likely to be scum than the other even if it's just by a small amount).  Scum do not want their actions and opinions to be tracked easily, so I find it more likely that scum will be off both the wagons than town (these kinds of votes are usually referred to as "throwaway votes").

I think Miyako is trying a bit too hard to get reasons to push the Shannon case, as the reasons she brought up tonight are both nulltells and directly contradicted by the very example of them she linked; I'm starting to like the idea of a Shannon lynch today too, as if Shannon flips town, I'm really not going to be liking Miyako very much.

I'm going to hold off on voting Shannon right away until I do my reread, however. If I think Shannon looks pretty town I might just go right to Miyako instead.

Ouja

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #259 on: August 13, 2010, 04:52:33 PM »
@Saki:

I'm okay with her voting Steven at deadline, but I'm just pointing out that it goes against her own words of what is right and wrong.

And it doesn't matter. Self-preservation is a good reason. Giving up is not the Town thing to do. If I'd ever find myself on the ballot and the alternate train to me is someone I strongly suspect as town, I'd vote them. Not Me Instead Of Me is always a better choice, because the only one I can be absolutely sure of alignment-wise is me, unless I'm a Cop in which case Not Me Instead Of Me is STILL better because it's a pretty strong role to have.

No, there's no good reason to paint Shannon's self-preservation vote as scummy or contradictory or whatever. Self-preservation should be town's top priority, right up there with "kill scum".

I STILL want to hear something from Shannon, because the self-preservation changes little for me. But it does make me a little cheese on toast at Miyako now with her... weird train of thought.

Curiously, Miyako... did you try passing the medal off this night?

W

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #260 on: August 13, 2010, 04:59:49 PM »
I'm expecting to be busy, but I'll post a little when I can.

How Steven's wagon sprang up yesterday feels like scum having a hand in the pileup. Sandor placing the first vote when there were 32 hours remaining when nobody paid him much mind before for the day. Evangeline making a more detailed post calling him bad and drawing attention to his relation to Gamzee is what I think prompted people to start finding fault with him. I mentioned yesterday that Evangeline's case had a flimsy foundation. She's my pick for scum pushing the wagon.

##Vote Evangeline

Shannon is still unimpressive and I'd still like to see her lynched.

Ryuki

  • Dragredder
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #261 on: August 13, 2010, 05:46:47 PM »
How Steven's wagon sprang up yesterday feels like scum having a hand in the pileup. Sandor placing the first vote when there were 32 hours remaining when nobody paid him much mind before for the day. Evangeline making a more detailed post calling him bad and drawing attention to his relation to Gamzee is what I think prompted people to start finding fault with him.

People *had* been finding fault with him, yet it was mostly being dismissed as noobtown. You fixated your criticism on the part of my argument that put his actions in context with Gamzee, yet ignored the part about his repeated active scumtells.


Anyway. Saki makes a good point about self-preservation. Town and scum should act exactly the same in that situation ('Not me instead of me'), so considering that a scumtell is impossible. Currently I feel strongest about the Shannon case, but I honestly don't have enough information or looked closely at anyone else's actions to formulate a good opinion on anyone else.

Kiva-la

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #262 on: August 13, 2010, 07:45:17 PM »
##Vote: Shannon

Nothing has changed for me. Sailor Moon has explained herself well enough.

I forget if I mentioned this yesterday or not (Meant to if I didn't) but... Still displeased at Stone Mason and not liking McClane or Sandor. Stone Mason for obvious reasons that have been rehashed. McClane for giving almost no reasons for his votes yesterday, and Sandor because every single vote he gives feels like he's stretching for it.

I can see the case on Miyako, gonna keep a closer eye on her and Moon than I previously have been. (and possibly a few others, though I really need to keep this list short unless I want to get paranoid, and that's never very good)

Yeah, really not much else to say. D3 has barely started.

Sasword

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #263 on: August 13, 2010, 10:36:05 PM »
Yes, I tried passing it to Shannon this night.  And whoops.  I will like to repeat that I find her self-preservation bad not in it self, but because of the lack of reasoning attached, even despite RL circumstances.  No matter what the motive, you have to jump on the bandwagon with some reasoning.  Especially since it contradicts against her ethos of scumhunting.

##Vote: Shannon

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@Sailor Moon:

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So, I don't say who I think is scum, except... err, how about that sentence at the end where I say the three people I think might be scum?

It's three random names with no semblance of reasoning for any of them at all.  Besides, that sentence did not mean anything at all by the end of the day due to your ever-changing opinions.

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I didn't feel Shannon to be particularly scummy after her response post, as I said. 

The main question is why.  Why the switch?  Notice that you have said absolutely nothing specific about Shannon other than 'her response satisfies me" ; nothing in defending her, and nothing in pushing her as a lynch other than saying 'my case is good'.  Yet you say more about Steven having the possibility of being town; my point is that you lynched someone you defended more than the other, and votes going against the reasoning for them is always scummy.  Main case against you is that you have been waffling your way through the game, and yours is a case I will pursue in D4 if we get a Shannon flip and lynch.

Regarding Shannon:

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Even if you think both of the wagons are town, you must surely find one of them better than the other (whether that be for informational purposes

With reasons, of course.  It goes against:

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I believe they are also more likely to try to justify it with reasoning that makes little sense because A.) they have to make up reasons to vote for townies since they know they are not scum and B.) voting with no reason will make them stand out, and people are more likely to look at baseless votes than votes with bad reasoning (just compare Mr. Mason and Mr. Clegane).

It made her stand out, I suppose.  How is Sandor who gives a reason fort voting Shoe on D1 (albeit a bad one) different from Shannon who gives no reason at all for voting Steven late on D2?  It doesn't make sense.

Sasword

  • Sasword
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #264 on: August 13, 2010, 10:53:43 PM »
EBWOP:

Looking more closely at Sailor Moon's ineffectual scumteam of Shannon/Mason/Sandor (here (seems that I was wrong with them having no reasoning)

Mason she votes for being 'not around on the latter half of the day much', though she admits that 'he helped the Gamzee lynch'?  Perhaps a prod vote on Mason for voting McClaine was acceptable, but not enough that I would call that a scumteam, just needing more explanation.  The 'case' evaporated into thin air since Sailor Moon never mentioned it again ever since Mason's explanation, which strikes me as pretending to be scumhunting.  Regarding Sandor, she doesn't consider his scumhunting in this post at all, preferring to press him for day one reasons.  Shannon I've already explained about how quickly Moon agreed with me and agreed with Shannon's defense without an original bone in those agreements.  You can say she's not scummy, but why?

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #265 on: August 13, 2010, 11:00:53 PM »
I still don't get why you think you need a reason to push another train in front of your own, but that's just an endless psyduckfest I think where I don't think you need a reason to preserve yourself. I sure as heck won't go, "Well, damn, I don't have a reason to self-preserve vote the other beyond self-preserve... guess I'll have to sit down and get myself lynched!"

Did the mod's message say anything regarding you passing off the Medal? Confirmation that you passed it on or anything?

Ouja

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #266 on: August 13, 2010, 11:02:33 PM »
The Medal line of inquiry is extremely important to me. It's not just trying to rolefish or whatever, this is information that I find vital to my scumhunting progress.

Sasword

  • Sasword
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #267 on: August 13, 2010, 11:42:44 PM »
On N1, the PM came saying that I could pass it on to someone else or keep it for myself on the next night.   N2 I said I wanted to pass it to Shannon but the mod came back with some sort of flavor that I could not get rid of the medal on N2 after all...

Well, it's making use of the time and seeing Sailor Moon's responses.  I'm not so much pushing another train as much as inviting her to explain her magically disappearing cases throughout the game, and the earlier the better, given her (to me) strong links with Shannon.  As for this 'self-preservation' nonsense, I still don't really see how it absolves you from providing some form of reasoning for your vote.  Scum can self-preserve, and so can town, so what makes people tell the difference?  The reasons, of course, which are not there.

Ouja

  • Ouja
Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #268 on: August 14, 2010, 12:06:22 AM »
Most excellent, Miyako!

Now then, going on...

SANDOR CLEGANE! EXPLAIN YOUR CHOICE OF TARGETS FOR LAST NIGHT! And don't try to pretend you targeted someone else. I know who you targeted, I want to know why.

DiEnd

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Re: Moriya Shrine Revolution Mafia - Day 3
« Reply #269 on: August 14, 2010, 12:47:32 AM »
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Notice that you have said absolutely nothing specific about Shannon other than 'her response satisfies me" ; nothing in defending her, and nothing in pushing her as a lynch other than saying 'my case is good'.  Yet you say more about Steven having the possibility of being town; my point is that you lynched someone you defended more than the other, and votes going against the reasoning for them is always scummy.
Shannon's mostly been off my radar. I didn't really pay specific attention to her until you brought her up, and I didn't really pay much attention to her after reading her response post and thinking that she looked fine. Admittedly, I didn't read that much between the lines on her. I've been babysitting for three days and I can't concentrate on all this ;_; And on that note, I still haven't gotten around to the reread on her, but I'll try to get it done before I go to sleep.

About lynching Steven over Shannon; my defense of Steven was "Case is good but can also be explained by derp." That isn't saying he's town, that's just saying... well, that he's dumb, and it could really just go either way. Shannon, on the other hand, I didn't feel to be scum at the moment. "Could Be Either+lolnub that can hurt town" > "Someone I don't particularly think is scummy".

...that entire paragraph is things I've already said several times ;_;

About me playing musical mafia cases, well, Shannon case was basically handwaved (This is bad play on my part to not read into it further, sorry), by the time I came back after Mason's response it was near deadline and how I felt on him no longer mattered due to Steven vs. Shannon, and Sandor... what happened to that, anyway? Everyone else kinda dropped him so he fell lower on my priority list. It's more useful to go after someone that people will vote for, and I doubted I'd pull up some awesome reason no one noticed out of his small post count (which is now larger and I should look into again; oh wait, with Saki's latest post, I am HIGHLY interested in how Sandor will respond!).

And that wasn't meant to look like a scumteam prediction, just people I felt may be scum, something very liable to intense fluctuation. Who I think is scum is highly subject to my mood, amount of sleep+food, current location, and most of all other people's actions. This is human, although I do notice that I waffle a lot more then the average mafia player, and that's been before this particular game. For example, how much I feel about Mason fluctuates greatly because of his bad early play combined with being D1 swing vote towards scum.

SANDOR CLEGANE! EXPLAIN YOUR CHOICE OF TARGETS FOR LAST NIGHT! And don't try to pretend you targeted someone else. I know who you targeted, I want to know why.
Care to share this information with the rest of us? And I find target being plural to be highly interesting, do you mean there was more then one?

Also, seeing as you pretty much just roleclaimed some sort of investigative role, would you like to elaborate on that too?

I'll hold off on a Sandor reread until he responds to Saki, because that's some juicy info, there. I'll get to that Shannon reread soon.

Okay, did I miss anything I should be responding to/talking about? I feel like I did.